joe biden indicts the founding fathers

“No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

“I would never inculcate a base and envious suspicion of any man, especially of those who have rendered signal services to their country. But there is a degree of watchfulness over all men possessed of power or influence, upon which the liberties of mankind much depend. It is necessary to guard against the infirmities of the best as well as the wickedness of the worst of men. Such is the weakness of human nature, that tyranny has perhaps oftener sprung from that than any other source. It is this that unravels the mystery of millions being enslaved by the few.”

—Samuel Adams, Letter to Elbridge Gerry, 23 April 1784

“For it is a truth which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger, when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.”

—Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist No. 25, 21 December 1787

“In every government on earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy, which cunning will discover, and wickedness insensibly open, cultivate, and improve. Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves therefore are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe their minds must be improved to a certain degree. This indeed is not all that is necessary, though it be essentially necessary. An amendment of our constitution must here come in aid of the public education. The influence over government must be shared among all the people. If every individual which composes their mass participates of the ultimate authority, the government will be safe; because the corrupting the whole mass will exceed any private resources of wealth: and public ones cannot be provided but by levies on the people. In this case every man would have to pay his own price. The government of Great-Britain has been corrupted, because but one man in ten has a right to vote for members of parliament. The sellers of the government therefore get nine-tenths of their price clear. It has been thought that corruption is restrained by confining the right of suffrage to a few of the wealthier of the people: but it would be more effectually restrained by an extension of that right to such numbers as would bid defiance to the means of corruption.”

—Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-1785

80 thoughts on “joe biden indicts the founding fathers”

  1. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

    1. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

      1. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

        1. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

          1. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          2. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          3. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          4. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          5. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          6. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          7. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          8. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          9. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          10. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          11. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          12. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          13. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          14. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          15. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

          16. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

            “If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point.”

            I didn’t say you didn’t make your point. All I said was I didn’t agree with the way you were trying to make your point.

            If you want to make your point that free men should have healthy skepticism of authority’s motive when it comes to their ‘constituional rights’, for often governments try to pull a ‘fast’ one through needless infringement of the ‘rights’ of their citizens in the disguise of ‘public good’, I am fine with that.

            But you don’t need to ‘hide’ behind a few men who were less than impecable when it came to philosophical courage to make the point you were trying to make.

            That’s right, it’s one thing by putting people on a pedastal who were absolutely impeccable in their philosophical courage one agrees with, it’s another to let oneself to stoop lower than those who were not.

            After all, whatever happend to so-called ‘self-evident’ truth that all men are created equal?

            “As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles.”

            Even your father?

            http://larvatus.livejournal.com/1716.html

            “We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.”

            …and how fortunate it would have been if the founding fathers of this country could have measured up in this regard to to your father, Mr. Issac Zeleny.

        2. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        3. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        4. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        5. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        6. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        7. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        8. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        9. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        10. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        11. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        12. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        13. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        14. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        15. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

        16. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

          If you understand the point I am trying to make, and agree with the point I am trying to make, I have made my point. As to why our founding fathers tolerated, accepted, and even supported slavery and racial discrimination, few men manage to live up to the consequences of their principles. We should all be so lucky to measure up in this regard to Samuel Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Thomas Jefferson.

      2. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      3. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      4. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      5. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      6. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      7. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      8. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      9. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      10. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      11. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      12. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      13. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      14. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      15. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

      16. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

        “You are missing the point.”

        No, I am not missing the point. I understand the point I think you’re trying to make, and I agree with the point I think you’re trying to make.

        I just don’t agree with the way you are trying to make your point.

        “Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.”

        Let me qualify, Joe doesn’t agree with some of the vision and point I think you agree and I agree with at least some of the founding fathers’ part in defining the foundation of our country.

        Pardon for not using constitutional republic since I am not entirely sure we have indeed ever been constitutional republic.

        The way I see it is U.S. never really was a constitutional republic. It pretends to be a constitutional republic, and that pretention has been accepted (or at least pretended to be accepted) by rather large part of the public.

        But getting back to the main point, did the founding fathers really believe in what they said they believed (the parts you agree with) in defining the foundation of our country?

        If so, then why did they tolerate, accept, and even support slavery and the racial discrimination?

    2. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    3. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    4. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    5. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    6. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    7. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    8. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    9. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    10. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    11. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    12. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    13. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    14. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    15. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

    16. Re: Immunity from criticism…….

      You are missing the point. Joe indicts the Founding Fathers for their part in defining the foundation of our constitutional republic.

  2. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  3. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  4. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  5. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  6. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  7. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  8. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  9. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  10. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  11. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  12. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  13. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  14. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  15. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

  16. Immunity from criticism…….

    “joe biden indicts the founding fathers.”

    Is that necessarily ‘bad’? After all, didn’t the founding fathers support slavery and accept racial inequality as a given?

    Now, just to let you know where I stand;

    “No law-abiding citizen in the United States of America has any fear that their constitutional rights will be infringed in any way,” Vice President Joe Biden said on Thursday, 21 February 2013. “None. Zero.”

    I think it is an idiotic statement, and I don’t agree with it.

    My contention on this post of yours is that just because someone ‘indicts’ the founding fathers on certain philosophical grounds doesn’t necessarily mean that someone is necessarily up to no ‘good’.

    After all, the founding fathers were human, with all their failings, and at least, occasional hypocricies, and philosophical cowardices.

    Do you believe someone should be above any kind of criticism due to the ‘postive’ contribution they have made?

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